In this episode of #FearlessFounders, I’m so excited to share an interview with my close friend, mentor, and coach, Nisha Moodley, who is a women’s leadership coach and creator of FIERCE FABULOUS FREE, the freedom mastermind and virtual sisterhood. She’s really inspired by her belief that the world will be set free by women who are free, and that sisterhood is the key.
Hello Fearless would not exist without Nisha. In fact, while I was building my previous business, I was incredibly burnt out. It wasn’t the business that made me feel alive. It wasn’t aligned with who I am and the type of impact that I wanted to create in the world. It wasn’t until I discovered Nisha and started working with her that I really discovered who I am as a woman, what my strengths and weaknesses were, what I was truly passionate about, and how to live a more integrative life.
Nisha’s story is so impactful. In this interview, you’ll learn:
- How she hustled her way at age 12 to start her first business.
- How she left a successful career in the cosmetics industry to take on a $7/hour cookie factory job…and didn’t regret it.
- How she stopped being a foodaholic, workaholic, and shopaholic to build a movement to truly support other women entrepreneurs.
Check out this interview to truly understand what the word “free” really means. And when you’re done, be sure to click the share buttons to help your friends achieve that same freedom.
Connect With Nisha
Nisha Moodley is a Women’s Leadership Coach and the creator of FIERCE FABULOUS FREE, The Freedom Mastermind & The Virtual Sisterhood. Inspired by the belief that the world will be set free by women who are free & sisterhood is key to a woman’s freedom, Nisha creates communities of ambitious women to support them in redesigning their lives & businesses.
After struggling for years as a foodaholic, shopaholic and workaholic, she found her own freedom, and set out to support other women in finding theirs. Today she works with clients through private coaching, mastermind groups, retreats, and online courses.
Nisha is a featured expert on DailyWorth, and has been featured on CNN, Huffington Post and The Daily Love. She writes weekly at NishaMoodley.com. You can also find her on Twitter, Facebook & Instagram.
Download her free Take Flight Action Guide, to explore the next expansion of your freedom, at takeflightactionguide.com.
Interview Transcript Nisha Moodley
Hi! So happy to be here with you.
Oh my gosh, I’m so excited to have you. Guys, this is Nisha Moodley who is my mentor, my coach, my dear friend and the person that I’m so excited for everyone to have a chance to get to know and hear her entire story so thanks so much for being here.
Thank you for the invitation and there’s nowhere else I’d rather be right now.
Oh my gosh, ok so first off I’d love for you to give a little bit of your background to our viewers who don’t know who you are, and we’ll start from there.
Yes, so I’m a women’s leadership coach, I’m the creator of Fierce Fabulous Free, The Freedom Mastermind & The Virtual Sisterhood, and all of my work is focused around the belief that the world will be set free by women who are free. And that sisterhood is a key to a woman’s freedom; so I create communities of ambitious, change-making women, bring them together in that space of support and supportive, loving sisterhood and then we really look at what is the next level of intrinsic and extrinsic freedom for them so that they can mooch that next level and be more of a leader within their lives and within the world.
And so, obviously I’m a part of that and have experienced that and I love that. So did you start off with that mission when you very first became an entrepreneur?
No (both laugh). So I started my first business in 2007, it was called Nishani Wellness. I wanted to do some play on my name! And I was a help coach. I was putting myself through school at the School for Integrated Nutrition, and I had overcome emotional eating myself and wanted to support other women in doing the same. So I started out as a help coach back in 2007 and it’s interesting to see now that it’s always been about freedom for me, then it was freedom with food and now it’s just complete freedom.
But that threat has always been there, so in a way it was my mission without me fully knowing it, but really at that time the focus was around helping women create freedom with food and also therefore be living more sustainable lives.
Ok. Did you know that you wanted to be an entrepreneur? How did you even get into nutrition?
I know you moved to New York from Canada and so what was that process like?
It’s funny, my mom always jokes that when I was a little girl I would, you know when I was playing games, other little girls were nurses and ballerinas and doctors and teachers, and I would say… (both laugh) I don’t know if I can remember it right now but I would say: “I’m the CEO, Vice President of Marketing and like Chief of whatever…” I had this like crazy long tail, basically all the jobs… (both laugh). I was the CEO, COO, CFO… I was everything.
You ran everyone else, all the other children.
Yeah, I wanted to be the boss, and so I think that I’ve always, you know, really felt more creatively inclined. When I was a kid, I was really into writing and creative writing, and I used to make up commercials, like my favourite game when I was 11, 12, 10 was to make commercials like jingles and perform commercials and do that whole thing. It was just really fun. I was really into marketing.
And I definitely had this little bit of a, kind of, entrepreneurial spirit from childhood and even when I was 11 years old, I wasn’t allowed to babysit until I turned 12, so three days before my 12th birthday I made business cards and a one-page contact sheet with testimonials and my tagline was, get this, bold statement: “The best babysitter in the world!”. (both laugh)
Validated by testimonials that you did not yet… Or was it from people that knew you?
Well I remember being very grateful at that time that my mom and I had different last names so I was like “Nobody will know that it’s my mom!” (both laugh) It was really, like, my mom and my best friend’s mom for babysitting our youngest siblings.
But then I started a babysitting network because I realized that I had too much work and I wanted to teach other babysitters my tricks and I had this Mary Poppins bag and I would go and read tarot cards with the babies I was babysitting. (both laugh)
I’m sorry to all your parents if you’re, you know… freaked out.
A bit a little outside of the box, you’re like I’m gonna try new things, I’m gonna go do this and… a different approach.
Yeah I was kind of always blending the creative, the spiritual and the entrepreneurial and I think in a way that hasn’t changed for me.
So what happened was around, I don’t know, when I was in my early twenties and I don’t know what year exactly it was, but I was living in Vancouver, Canada and I had been working in the cosmetics industry for many years, I had been climbing the ranks and I, especially for my age, was quite successful in my career. I had a job and a position that most people my age didn’t have and I felt like I was kind of primed to really move up in my company or even within the industry at large and go into sort of major national or global roles. So it was an exciting time, it was an exciting business, working in cosmetics was very high energy and I, at that time, went through a breakup… Seem to be really important turning points in my life, breakups.
(laughs) Same, same…
Yes! The first person that I ever, probably the only person, you know, until my ex-husband that I thought I’m gonna marry. We were really in love, we moved in together and within six months it was done and I was moving out, I was super heart-broken, didn’t know what to do with myself and so I started going to yoga. I felt like this is a healthy outlet, I was a food addict at the time so I realized that, you know, eating a mini frozen pizza twice a day wasn’t going to help me feel better about myself or my breakup. So I started going to yoga.
And through yoga I started getting into, you know, eating better. And so I was just naturally gravitating towards healthier foods. Then I started to become passionate, from there, about environmental sustainability. So I started getting this passion growing for health and environmental sustainability and it grew like wildfire. My life just started to transform, I started going to yoga, I also started getting into painting and photography and started making jewellery and I’m also taking better care of myself physically. And so this change was happening and I started to become rapidly misaligned with the career track that I was on.
So I was going to work during the day, you know, wearing 18 items of makeup, that was our quota at work, 16 or 18 items of makeup.
Yeah… We can have that conversation another day. And most women are like “What?” But yes, you can do it.
So I would go to work during the day wearing all this makeup and be really done-up and be kind of in this like (imitates loud music from headphones) working with my headset, cheering on teams and this whole thing. And then at night I would wash it all off, go to my yoga class and be like reading sutras and going to alcohol-free Kombucha midnight yoga (laughs). I was starting to live this double life and I started to realize that something had changed, I wanted a career change, I didn’t know what it was going to look like. I’ll try to shorten this story but I ended up getting a bridge job and it happened like, literally overnight.
I went to my naturopath’s office, I walked in and saw the woman who was working behind the desk and I was like “This! This looks like an amazing job! She’s calm, she’s happy, she’s working in this beautiful healthy environment, this is the environment that I want to be in” and I literally left my doctor’s appointment and called the office and, I can’t believe I did this, but I just said “Hi, I… I realize that this is kind of like asking for your job because I’ve never seen anyone else work here but you just seem so happy and this is the kind of job that I think I’m looking for” and she said “Oh my gosh, I’m going to nursing school, I’m leaving in two weeks, we’re looking for somebody.” And I walked right back, had my interview and the next day, the day after making the decision I really need a new job, I walked into my job, gave in my notice and two weeks later I had started.
And I had stayed there for six months, I fell in love again, that time with that man that I would marry. Moved to New York and was working under the table for $7 an hour at a cookie factory.
First off, talk about what a “bridge job” is.
The bridge job was, ok this isn’t my career, this isn’t my big dream job but I need something to bridge the gap from where I am now to that big dream job.
That doesn’t suck the life out of you.
That doesn’t suck the life out of me. So even my $7 an hour cookie factory job was a bridge job and in part I was making next to nothing but I had time. And so what I needed was I needed time, I also needed the mental emotional space, I needed a break from working in the cosmetics industry as I had for almost nine years. I needed something to move me in the direction of greater alignment towards what I was working towards. I didn’t know what I was working towards but I knew that my cosmetics job was out of alignment and that I need something in greater alignment, that bridge job became that first one. Working at the naturopath’s office was the first step, career-wise, to getting me into greater alignment.
So then I fell in love, hopelessly in love, moved to New York and now the pressure was on. Because I didn’t have a solid regular income. I didn’t have my friends nearby. I didn’t have my career in cosmetics that I worked so hard to build to fall back on really. It was too late to go back there but didn’t know where I was headed and so I was working at this cookie factory and later in a tea shop. And I would just spend all my time because it wasn’t very intellectually demanding work. I could spend that brain space, that heart space that I had really really thinking about, and feeling what is it that I want. And so I had my epiphany where I realized, as all entrepreneurs do, there’s some epiphany moment where we’re like “Yes! That’s the thing that I want to do!” And my big epiphany was “Wow! Health is the ultimate grassroots movement.”
At that time were you visioning the life that you wanted or just to feel fulfilled in a career that you were totally passionate about?
Great question. It was both. So I had left this 9 to 5 corporate job and I was working in this cookie factory and I was making next to mothing but I had this feeling for the first time like “I can create anything! I have a blank canvas here.” It’s a very small blank canvas, my husband and I were barely making ends meet. I mean we were like, counting quarters. And I’m in my mid-twenties, my friends are getting married and buying new toilets and doing renos, (laughs) and I’m literally counting quarters.
I remember this conversation with my ex-husband, who was my husband at the time, where we’re like “Oh I don’t think we should go to the city today, we lived in Jersey City, because it’s going to cost it’s going to cost 7 dollars and 50 cents to get there and back and we just don’t have it. We didn’t have $7.50 to spare. This is like 8 years ago. It’s not that long ago.
So it was a lifestyle thing. I had this blank canvas, I can create anything. I was looking forward to my friends who were getting married, doing renovations and in their careers, I was also looking back at my younger cousin and younger people who I saw travelling the world and going “I’m not in either of those places” like I’m not ready to have kids but I also haven’t travelled. I want to see the world, when is that going to happen?
So you had this inner voice that was telling you “I definitely want more”
I want more. Yeah. I want a fulfilling career that is something that I love, that I feel is making a difference in the world. And I want to travel. I want to see the world. I want to be healthy myself. I want to have time to go fly back across the country and visit my family. So started to draw this dream around how it would look and feel for me to have this life that I so wanted.
Is this before you knew about vision boarding or Danielle LaPorte’s The Desire Map and How You Want To Feel?
Yeah, the Desire Map didn’t exist out in the world yet. I was kind of brought up in the world of affirmations and vision boards and I had been kind of doing that stuff since I was like twelve and fourteen. But I didn’t necessarily have a solid framework, certainly not for entrepreneurship. And I didn’t have a framework that was particularly action orientated. It was like “pray on it”. I was like “Ok, what am I praying on?”
And what I say to my friends and clients now is get a vision of the future, like “how will it feel and what’s your ideal?” The feminine approach “How will it feel” and the masculine approach like “What’s the sort of like nitty gritty day-to-day… what’s the picture that I want to create?”
So it would be like If Danielle LaPorte’s Desire Map and Cameron Herold’s Painted Picture had a baby. It’s this “how would it feel and what’s your ideal” And so without having that framework necessarily, I started to do that for myself. How will it feel and what’s my ideal? So I had this Aha! moment where I realized health is the ultimate grassroots movement. This is what I want to do. I want to study nutrition.
I signed up for integrated nutrition, at that time where we didn’t know where we were going to get $7.50 from and just figured “Ok I’ve got half a many dollars a month of tuition, I’m going to figure it out! I don’t know how, I don’t have the money, I don’t have a loan, I don’t have access to a loan, my parent’s will help me if… they’re not going to let me be homeless but they’re also not going to pay for my tuition so I’m on my own with this one and I have to figure it out.” And I hustled. I worked a lot, I sold my jewellery, I was so enthusiastic. By the way, I think that’s the key ingredient is enthusiasm. I was so enthusiastic. Yeah it was frustrating but never was I like “Oh I have to work this stupid job…” I was like “Sweet! I’m going to work this job so that I can make this money to pay my tuition.”
It’s like the investor in your dream, basically.
Yeah! I was my own investor. I had to be an enthusiastic investor and so I hustled my butt off and I did it. I put myself through school I started building my business and then I’d just continue like putting myself out of my comfort zone over and over and over.
I remember when they taught this class in integrated nutrition about teleclasses and workshops and I remember just zoning out through that part of the conversation, I was just like “Eh… Not gonna do that.” Teleclasses, yeah, I’m not going to do the whole online thing, I’m just going to get clients. I’m going to have my website and then people are just going to find it and they’re going to want to work with me and it’s going to be great and it’ll all unfold organically. Turns out it didn’t quite happen like that for me.
Right. “I’m just gonna manifest clients into my life.”
Yeah “I’m just going to pray on it.”
At this time did you have other friends that were making big things happen or that were entrepreneurs? What was your situation with the girl friends in your life or people that when you’re making these big leaps or taking these risks? What was going on?
Not really. Although I advise that anyone else have that. I did in that my husband is a musician and so his circle of friends, most of them didn’t have 9 to 5 type jobs, they were making their art. And there was this courage, this chutzpah, this devotion to doing what they love that was so inspiring and really so helpful for me to be in the world of. So surrounding myself with artists was certainly helpful at that time. What I did have was, at that tea shop that I worked at for a while, after the cookie factory, which by the was literally called The Cookie Factory, I worked at this tea shop, and the woman who I worked with is now one of my dearest friends and we would make tea, we would get hopped up on tea and we’d serve the customers and we would talk, and we would talk, and we would talk and we would spend all day talking about what it was that we wanted to create and we launched our businesses in the same year. I started doing health coaching, she created a company called “Bag The Habit”, they made reusable shopping bags that are the best in the world.
And so I had this partner in crime. Even though we weren’t a business together, we were building businesses, we were negging one another. We were getting our confidence up by giving one another advice and then being like “Oh that’s great advice, I’m going to implement that!” When somebody implements your advice it’s so strengthening. I think it’s something that, as entrepreneurs, we so need, not only to receive support but to give your time to give support. A) Because, why not? You know, why not give while you’re receiving. And also it’s so strengthening to your own sense of confidence to know “Wow, I do have some good ideas in here! I do know more than I think I know about this stuff!” And so I had Liz.
And I also had my friends from school and I really did, at that time, make a point to create little mini mastermind groups with them and to stay in touch with the people who were also building businesses, even though we were all on the same level there wasn’t kind of a mentorship thing going on which would’ve been very helpful. I did have those other people who were ambitious, who were going for it.
Yeah, that’s a poor system as you’re going through school.
Ok so you graduate and…
I graduate, hung my shingle, started one by one building my client roster and over the three years that followed I really built this solid business coaching women and it sort of evolved to have this strong niche around supporting women to find freedom with food. I had a great website, my business was going really well but I wasn’t doing so well. Were you going to say something?
I was going to say, how did you find these clients?
Yeah, it was a lot of heart and a lot of hustle. So I realized that the way that I was going to scale this business was one-on-one clients. Building my one-on-one client roster, getting my confidence with working with people one-on-one and then starting to do group programs and retreats and so on and sort of grow it that way, but I needed that one-on-one experience. So somebody broke it down for me and they were like “Listen, it’s really just simple math. You know, if you want twenty clients that means you’re probably going to have to have 60 or 80 conversations with people. If you’re going to have 80 conversations you’re going to have to get in front of, you know, whatever, 240 people.” I’m like “Ok” So I started every month I would do a workshop and a teleclass. A workshop and a teleclass. My first workshop, like, three people showed up to.
Are you like “I’m screwed” It didn’t happen overnight”?
Well actually, my first workshop, 20 people showed up to and I was so nervous that I had everything typed up, a 90 minute workshop word for word. And I had it on my husband’s… my husband bought a music stand, I had it on a music stand, like a mini podium and I was shaking so badly I was sweating and I was shaking and I could feel that my face was red and hot and I was reading, I was basically reading them this. Oh it was terrible! An then halfway through, all the papers fell out all over the ground so there were participants on the front row helping me gather my papers and I just remember in that moment thinking to myself “I want to cry right now. I want to climb under a rock, I want to shrivel up and die, I want to disappear, I don’t want to be here, I’m done! I hate this! I’m over! I don’t want to be here!” And it was that just spit second of reckoning where I was like “Well, you can’t! You can’t just cry and run away! These people… You’re in the middle of a presentation. You know, you can’t climb under a rock, you can’t shrivel up and die, you can’t start crying and run away. Just finish this thing! Just do it!” And there was something in that moment of just being like “Ugh! Ok I’m going to do it.” And I did it. And, you know, I never want to relive that experience again, it totally sucked.
But even though it was so hard, and I literally had the thought “I want to die!” in the middle of my presentation, I did it again the next month. And that time, three people showed up. And of course I went in my head like “Oh my god the first one was so terrible that now no one is ever going to come and see me. Next time nobody is going to show up, I’m probably going to have people picketing like this is so bad, maybe I’m not meant to do this. I’m not very good. She is an amazing public speaker, that person has something important to say…” like the whole thing. And I did it again anyway. And every month I did an in person workshop and a teleclass. And I just kept doing them and I kept getting better.
Do you think that because you were so, you know, even when we met, you know we talk a lot about being grounded in your “Why”, that you were so driven by that even if you could impact person, two people, you know, that that helped you persevere when you hit these roadblocks or people weren’t necessarily showing up right at the gate?
It was, I think, two things. It was one, being connected to that sense of why I was doing what I was doing exactly what you said which was my “why” for me and my “why” for the world. My vision for my future and my vision what I want to create in the world, the kind of support that I wanted women to have and what difference that would make for them.
It was that and it was also, I was proud of myself. I let myself feel proud of myself for trying. That first workshop was really hard, it wasn’t very good. I didn’t get any clients from it. But I was being the kind of woman that I wanted to be. Embarrassment and all, I was being a woman who was doing her best, who was following through, who was putting her big girl panties on and doing it because I had a cause that I believed in and that little bit of pride… I find that we don’t often let ourselves feel proud of ourselves, we spiral into the story of how much we suck and we shouldn’t be doing it and “someone is better than me” bla bla bla… And we completely miss the point that we are doing it and that’s amazing! I mean, imagine if every single baby just gave up when they tried to crawl or walk because they’re like “Well they can do it better than I can”. It sounds silly to compare yourself to a baby but jeez! They figured out something that we forget which is there’s a joy in just doing it.
I did not like public speaking. I do it a ton now and I actually enjoy it now. But at the time I hated it. I mean, I hated it. But there was a thrill, a joy in being like “I’m building a business! And I’m going to see this through.” And paper’s flying all over the stage or three people showing up or, my first teleclass three people showed up and I forgot to record the first half of it. All those problems, I knew that they were stepping stones and as I saw myself get better and I saw that while at this 5th workshop I felt good, I felt more in my groove or that 20th sales conversation with somebody like “Yeah, I’m getting this!” Or understanding like, researching sales copy and realizing “Oh I’m getting better at this. I actually have like a little bit of a talent for copywriting” And so I just had to stick with it and it was that connection to the bigger “why” and also this joy and the pride I felt in just doing it, in just going for it. That kept me moving forward.
Ok, so I know that then you kept busting your ass and built your client roster and built this business and then you hit burnout. So let’s talk about that.
Yeah. So well… It was around 2009-2010 and I was married and I was working all the time and my business was sustainable, I built it to the point of steady revenue and happy clients and kind of had my groove. If I needed a couple of new clients I knew how to make that happen. So I had that security built in as well around building my business. There were a couple of things that happened around that time.
The one that comes to mind at this moment is I was in an argument with my ex-husband and we were really struggling in our marriage and I had been until 4 o’clock the night before eating popcorn, writing, looking on my website or something and we got in this argument and I felt myself go completely numb and I said “I don’t have time for this, I have work to do”. I went to my computer and I started working and I looked at him in the other room and he was crying, he was like really upset and just, like, hurt. And I remember thinking “This is so messed up!” I created this business so that I could have more freedom in my life so that I could make a difference and look at me, I’m not free! I realized that I was using work the same way that I had used food. I was using work and I was passing it off like “But I love work! I need to work, this is my mission”
“My life and work are the same…” (laugh)
“My life and work are the same!” But like, working and sleeping aren’t the same thing! (both laugh)
So you need to sleep people! Working and eating aren’t the same thing, you need to eat.
And so, yes there was a way that my life and Mark were married and I was avoiding the difficulty in my relationship. I wasn’t taking as good a care of myself. This whole reason why I started health is the ultimate grassroots movement that Aha! moment. I wasn’t particularly healthy. My relationship was falling apart. There was an unhealthiness in our relationship. I wasn’t taking care of myself anymore and I was no longer really this ambassador for freedom, even though I wasn’t emotional eating, it was like, really clear to me that this was a huge misalignment. So again, misalignment light bulb went off.
And it was around that time that the Dalai Lama spoke at the world peace summit, in Vancouver, and he said that the world will be saved by the western woman. And I remember being like “Which ones?”
(laugh) “Is that me? Really?”
Because I am a western woman so I have all the freedoms that a western woman has. I’m doing something that I feel like makes an important difference in the world. So I’m like, you know, doing my work to save the world, but I’m burnt-out, overwhelmed, overworked, on the brink of divorce, not particularly healthy so which ones of us are going to save the world? I realized that the only possible answer would be that it would be those of us who were actually being the change that we wanted to see. And so that if I wanted women to be more free in their lives, even if it was just with food, I needed to be free in my life. And so I started exploring what does it really truly mean to be free. Right? If I’m no longer going to use work as a way to avoid the other things in my life but I’m actually going to face all of my life head on and I’m going to make myself care my job as much as I make, you know, writing this newsletter my job and what does that look like?
And so I really sat upon this big life transformation in the last several years since that happened both for myself and it’s also radically shifted my work and, you know, I started getting more entrepreneurs coming to me because I could actually congruently… like, I was just shining on a brighter level because I was actually more willing to share what was going on in my personal life on my blog and in my work because I didn’t have anything to hide anymore.
So that is sort of how this whole transition happened for me. I started really travelling, I kept building my business, scaling my business, coming into greater alignment with my work and my message and, yeah, that’s how that’s flowed since.
So, I read this, I think it was with your friend Sarah Jenks, that you guys had a conversation about, like, what’s the point of making a living if you don’t have a life? So how did you manage that existing business that you had while starting to play around with “Ok, this is crap, I actually need to have more space and more freedom in doing that”.
How did you transition into this more integrated person?
So the first thing was instantly adopting the mindset that if I have to work, you know, 14 or 16 hours a day to run this business, it’s not worth it. So I have to find a way to run this business and grow this business with less time, now! Purity, end of story. Not after the next launch, not after… Because I had done the whole like “When I get to six figures…” then I got to six figures, “well when I get to 200 000…” then I got to 200 000, it was always a next. When I went through this launch, when I went past that launch… it didn’t change anything. I worked harder, if anything.
That’s why I just had to adopt the mindset like “I need to find a way now to work less and have more of a life and enjoy my life more” and actually be the ambassador of what it is that I stand for. And I think that was key to me. Getting deeply that, fine I’m not emotional eating, but if I’m not attending to freedom in my life, I’m a fraud.
I just had to face that for myself and it sucked. And so I think, for all of us as entrepreneurs, to really look at what is the core thing that my company that I’m standing for, and am I actually standing for it or am I just the talking head?
So for me really getting that and getting it right now, I need to find a way to grow this. And that brought up the enthusiasm again, to come back to enthusiasm. It brought this like “Ok, there is a win-win and I’m going to find it and I’m going to find it now”. And so what I started off by doing really simply is just making more plans like scheduling vacations, taking nights off and actually forcing myself to shut my computer. I hired a relationship coach so I could figure things out in my marriage. I really just started putting my attention around all the different areas in my life that needed my attention and because my business had more than enough. And what I found is that I was giving myself less time to work and I was way more productive and I was doing the most important things that actually moved the needle forward rather than spending a ton of time doing things that seemed important by actually weren’t moving the needle forward as much. And then kind of like then from 2 to 4 in the morning doing the really important things. So I was just instead compacting everything and doing the most important things first. So really it was about being productive and I think that productivity isn’t about doing more, it’s not about working harder, it’s about working smarter. It’s not about doing more, it’s about doing better. And so I learned how to be productive by doing better instead of by doing more.
Ok so, I’m not sure if you want to touch on this but you keep talking about your ex-husband, so obviously went through a divorce in the midst of running a company and you’re doing all this personal growth and development and getting more integrated and making more time for yourself and so what was that transitional process like?
And then moving into the next phase of your business where you were doing more scalable things, were you sort of hiring people and that?
Yeah. So I went through a divorce while my business was like on this steady incline and I had, I think, just hired my first…
But you have a life outside of your business, I just want to clarify that, right?
Yeah, yeah. I went through this divorce and I had just hired my first team member at that time so I had an assistant and it was a difficult time, it was an exhilarating time, you know like, divorcing, moving… In the year that we separated I met someone else and fell in love so there was like all these massive life transitions happening and my business was tripling in income that year, in revenue.
So it was just a huge year. And what I found is that I needed support system more than ever, I needed not only to have my assistant and any other people that I ended up hiring, those few people on my team who really take the reins, and I just shared with them what was going on in my life really honestly. I realized that there was no way that they could fully support me if they didn’t know what was going on with me so I shared with them “this is what’s going on with me” and I think that when we are in leadership positions sometimes we feel like we’re not supposed to show our cards, or that it’s inappropriate. And I’m like “screw that!” I’m creating this company culture, I get to say what’s appropriate and inappropriate.
To have giant life secrets from one another and not be able to talk about what’s going on in our personal life, that’s inappropriate.
I wanted to create a space, a culture in my company where we could talk about what was going on in our personal lives where we knew one another’s, you know, partner’s names, kids names… My business manager now, I know the SPA they send her to when they send her to the SPA like, we’re in one another’s lives, we’re family in that way.
And so I really shared with them what was going on so that they could figure out how they could best support me through that time, and learned to delegate. Holy smokes, I learned to delegate. I always say that some of the best entrepreneurs are moms because they’re so time poor. And they’re kind of attention poor because they’ve got these little humans that they’re raising. And it just makes them like, really good at delegating in many cases and like laser focused. That’s kind of what divorce did for me, it made me way better at delegating and laser focused. “I’m crying 6 hours a day, great that means I’ve got 2 left. What am I going to do with my 2 hours of work?” And I would just focus.
The other thing I needed was my girl friends. And so I just leaned on my friends and knew that the more that I could receive their love and support as I went through this difficult time in my life and all these transitions, the more I could share all of my fears, and crazy with them, even if I felt like a broken record, even if I felt like a burden, even if I felt like I was taking up too much space I knew that if I could do that, if I could really allow myself, first of all it would open the doors for them to receive that kind of stuff when they needed it but also that I would heal faster and more completely and I would be able to get back to my work more whole-heartedly, faster.
And that was going to impact the world in a much deeper, broader way than me trying to work with my ego to not be too much of a burden on people. I realize I am here for a mission and to rock my mission I have to learn to like, let go of control, that I have to take care of myself and I have to read every single email and take care of every single detail and do everything myself and like also hand all my emotional state and be perfectly put together like, no! I need to let it all hang out and let the people hold the parts that I can’t hold so that I can heal, come back together and be of service and bring more of that open heart into my work.
So I think really it was team and then vulnerability with them, delegation, asking for support in trusting them, getting the right people on board, A-players and then my girls, like sisterhood, I needed them.
Ok so, through that process then is that where, because you’re more than just a health coach now, obviously, you just launched your new website and I’d love for you to share your new mission, I can read it for you too if you’d like that’s an adaptation of what the Dalai Lama talked about and what you’re currently creating which I think is such a combination of you building the team, getting aligned in your mission and everything that you’ve gone through and you’re like “Holy shit! Every woman entrepreneur, every woman needs what I have” and that’s what you provided to me and that’s what you provided to so many hundreds of women so I’d love for you to share that.
Yeah so the message around 2010 became “The world will be set free by women who are free”. It was that marriage…
Can I get a “Amen!”
Amen! Yeah! So it was a marriage of the world by the western women and being the change. The world will be set free by women who are free. And it evolved over time to also incorporate the fact that sisterhood is key to a woman’s freedom.
And so my business had evolved as I’ve grown and the message as I sort of went through my workaholism and that last stage of deep addiction after years of being a food addict and then a shopping addict and then workaholism had it’s place in my life. I realized, ok, health is the ultimate grassroots movement and I can support people who are supporting other people who are supporting other people even through this message that the world will be set free by women who are free and sisterhood is a key to a woman’s freedom.
And over time my work has evolved and I realized that I really wanted to work with women who were out to save the world, who are making a difference in the world to help them develop the next level of expansion in their freedom. And it just sort of evolved both through my work doing retreats and group programs and seeing what happened in the space of sisterhood and how impactful it was for a woman in her own freedom, in her healing, in her growth and her development to have this group of women rallying around her.
And then also my own life, going through my divorce and realizing how impactful it was for me to have my circle of sisters around me. I realized, ok, it’s really the marriage of these two things: freedom and sisterhood. And if I can support healers and coachers and authors and women who are creating programs that will impact hundreds of thousands of women around the world then I get to be part of this ripple effect in a different way. And so I started to shift my focus away from just working with women around emotional eating which is still so valuable to, kind of, supporting the women who would support the women around emotional eating to help them unlock their freedom in the space of sisterhood so that they can rock their mission in an even bigger way.
I love it! I love it! Ok, so what’s next for you? I know that you’re doing so many things, you have multiple masterminds, you have your hands in a lot of different stuff so I’d love for you to touch on that. And then obviously where people can find out more about you and all your programs.
Yeah, so I’m currently working on a program that’s going to be coming out in the fall called Fierce, Fabulous, Free and it’s an 8 week course in living for ambitious women on a mission. And so it’s really about looking at all of these different areas of our life as ambitious women on a mission, let’s bring out attention to those areas of life, our relationships, our spirituality, our health and vitality. All the different areas of our life are money so that we are eyes wide open, so they we are really engaged in creating the next level of freedom in our own lives so that we can rock our mission in a better way.
So that program, I’m really excited about, it’s coming out soon. I’m also working on a program called The Virtual Sisterhood which will kind of come out in tandem with that. And it’s a yearlong community oriented experience that I’m really thrilled to be leading.
And I still just love working with women on retreats and in mastermind type experiences. So I lead an annual retreat with my friend Sarah Jenks called Live Free and that is happening in Sonoma in the fall, depending on when this interview airs we still have some spaces for that so that’s really exciting and just an awesome opportunity to get together with a hundred other really enthusiastic, ambitious, beautiful women who are wanting to make a difference in their lives and in the world so that’s a really exciting opportunity.
And lots more in stock for 2015, I won’t totally let the cat out of the bag, it’s still coming together but I’m really excited about what’s beyond as well.
And so where people can find me, my website is nishamoodley.com I’m on Twitter @AskNisha and people can just search me on Facebook, they’ll find me there.
Perfect, well I just love you, adore you and you’ve been such a change agent for everything that I’ve created in my life so thank you so much for being on here and I love you!
I love you so much too Sara, thank you so much too for your work in the world and I’m so excited to be here.
Alright, thanks babe. Talk to you soon.